we were talking about hillary care. it really does go all the way back to hillary clinton. but understandably now, with all of the debacle of the rollout, howard, she doesn't want to be associated with this. right? >> that is true. but at the same time, she doesn't want to alienate president obama's core supporters, particularly african-american voter who is she may need in 2016. james carville, long time clinton intimate, told me the other day no successful presidential candidate has ever run by saying the next four years are going to be exactly the same as the last eight. she has to be a different kind of democrat. then there's the bill factor. this came up in 2008 when the former president made some comments that ticked off obama supporters and other democrats. recently he weighed in on the troubled obama care rollout, as you know, gretchen. >> right. >> suggested something the president actually ended up doing. but i don't think there was a lot of warm feelings in the white house about the way that bill clinton did that. >> kind of one of those things like you like it,